The most fascinating part of Internet anonymity is how it allows you to hang out with people that in real life, you would never meet and probably never want to. I am thinking particularly of the pickup artists of late 1990s-2015ish fame. Me hailing from a background of Christian Nerd-ism, would never have spent one second in the company of bar-hopping fratboyz running psychological experiments on an endless parade of young women with loose morals and looser panties.
Where I came from, we competed for the coveted position of “designated driver”.
Thanks to Internet anonymity, however, I got to learn what they had to teach without the itchy burning sensation of sticking my dick in crazy… and it was amazing! They independently confirmed all of Scripture’s teachings about human sexual behavior!
Then they rejected Scripture because the descriptive religion of evolutionary psychology is lots more fun than the prescriptive religion of a living God with standards. Just like science, Evopsych always told them how and never if they should.
Then they got #MeToo’d en masse.
Some are still around, apparently. Adam turned me on to an old flame, err, name, Rollo Tomassi. Once more into the evil-psyche, just for old time’s sake.
Guys who don't fuck.
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By Rollo Tomassi, 30 January 2024
Rollo Tomassi is the author of the Best Selling book series, The Rational Male.
If you grew up in Christian/Churchian culture, you should read it because it’s an accurate view of women without all the Bible trappings & expectations. A look through new eyes, as it were.
Although it is quite immoral.
Rollo, do you think “Body Count” matters?
Absolutely. And the higher, the better. I need a girl who’s DTF (down to fuck) from the jump. For guys after 50, all that pretentious bullshit about long-term commitment should melt away to sexual expediency. It’s not about experience or some contrived want for a virgin bride. It all comes down to guys who fuck and guys who don’t. If we’re talking from the perspective of evolutionary effectiveness, women (and men) with higher body counts are effectively proven commodities in a sexual economy.
Ah, the frustrations of dealing with evolutionary psychology. It’s incoherent, forget about consistent, yet the incoherence is never noticed by its advocates. If all that matters is reproductive behavior then why is coercive rape even a crime? “I get to breed and you get to raise my bastard”, how is that not maximizing your reproductive potential?
No, what the PUAs uncovered is that the provably most successful way for humans to behave (lifetime monogamy) is not how humans naturally behave (wham, bam, thank you, ma’am). They came to view traditional morality the way the ancient Romans did, as virtues best found in other people.
There’s no materialist explanation for a human who agrees that Plan A is best, then immediately proceeds with mutually-exclusive Plan B. Wouldn’t that be the very definition of a flawed species? “The good that they should do, they do not do it.”
That being said, Rollo is absolutely right to prioritize his desires over the desires of the latest XX chromosome pairing to violate his airspace. Most Christian men would do well to learn some selfishness. No, it’s not a sin, unless done to excess like literally every other human behavior. Nobody will respect your altruism. Many people, in fact, will be repelled by the Nice Guy act. Particularly attractive young women. They have to deal with it all the time.
Guys who don’t fuck spend lifetimes consoling themselves with moral high-ground narratives to explain why they don’t fuck. At least 80% of guys don’t fuck, so there’s a lot of narrative inbreeding and self-congratulatory bullshit passed around among them. This bullshit has been de rigueur for millennia, but in the social media age, it’s an obvious cope. We’re just more aware of it now.
The boldfaced is correct, yet backwards. Only men who have strong principles even try to resist the siren call of poozy. One could claim that men who have strong aversions to antibiotic-resistant venereal diseases also have motivation towards celibacy, but in practice, most will risk it with condoms and sexbots.
Let’s talk “Incel” for a moment. There’s no such thing as an involuntarily celibate man in Current Year. If you have $100 in your pocket then you can get some ass. It won’t be the ass you want, and your life might be ruined by the encounter, but regardless, you’re choosing to not have sex.
Of course, the best narratives are the ones that make guys who don’t fuck feel good about not fucking while simultaneously making guys who do fuck feel bad about fucking.
This disqualification tactic is one of the many forms of bloodless intrasexual competition tactics that 80%er men have consoled themselves with since the Middle Ages. If you can make your intrasexual rival feel guilty about fucking – because God hates fucking for any reason besides making babies – then you have a tactical advantage in the sexual economy. It works even better if you can gaslight a superior sexual rival to believe he (or she) is going to Hell if he pursues his biological imperative to his fullest potential.
The 80% figure is probably from Pareto Principle. Genetic research suggests that over history, about 50% of men had children. And 80+% of women.
I share Rollo’s snark at “because God hates fucking for any reason besides making babies”. The modern Church is guilty of many crimes from incompetence to treason, but IMHO, the absolute worst crime has been its endless demonization of the male sex drive.
God: “Sex should only be within marriage.”
Church: “And not even then! Why should men ever be happy?”
Yo, Church Daddies. Men can do our own laundry. Our own meals. We can adopt & hire a nanny. The ONE thing that a Christian man MUST marry for, is sex. Full stop. Maybe you don’t remember being a young man yourself, but this is a NEED for normal men. If you take that off the table then you might as well be honest, and marry your daughter yourself.
If you take recreational marital sex off the table, then men will go full Rollo Tomassi with their interactions vis-a-vis your daughters. Taking what they can, and ghosting when they need to. Men won’t respect the other person’s needs either.
Generally, lesser men cannot openly challenge greater men (men who fuck) in physical prowess. So, more intelligent men who don’t fuck contrived forms of social gaslighting to improve their chances of reproducing. Smarter lesser men have always devised workarounds to solve their reproductive problems. It’s actually one of the strengths of our species. Nothing sparks innovation quite like a man solving his proximate need for sex and his ultimate need to reproduce. And nothing has been more expedient a tactic than convincing a greater man that he ought to disqualify himself from the sexual economy.
Florida is generally considered a conservative Red State, yet it’s close to passing the first set of American laws to abolish Internet privacy… a Great-Reset agenda item! Why are they doing it, you ask? What argument convinced them to do the devil’s bidding?
Internet P0rn.
Those 80% of men not having sex, AND not having off-switches, are quietly diverting themselves to the most harmless outlet for their hormones. Alas, women are so toxic today, they resent the sexual competition from inanimate objects and pictures. That’s why Florida’s Church Daddies loudly signal his virtue while quietly obeying his Edenic mistress, by outlawing Internet anonymity so they can see which men are having unauthorized relief. They cannot be punished until they are identified!
It feels strange, defending p0rn because I’m a devout Christian who wants to see it gone forever. It’s like this…
P0rn is immortal. P0rn has been with humanity since finger paintings on cave walls. A few more rules will not change this.
There is ONE way to stop p0rn. One way only. Especially in the Information Age.
A willing wife at home.
Mic drop.
But noooo, that would force wives to honor her marital duties to her husband! Far better to demand that men have no sexual alternative than whatever wifey cares to offer! If that means helping Satan take control of global telecommunications then, well, Jesus will just have to accept that for once, Satan was the good guy. Because Mommy knows best.
The answer to that meme: Women instinctively (and flawed-ly) envy men and seek to control us. Sexuality is the one power that women have over men. Thus, they feel threatened by a man’s ability to get sexual satisfaction… even limited, inferior satisfaction… from any source that she doesn’t control. It’s how the Fall of Eden is playing out in the Information Age.
This seems simple now. Back in the day, however, I needed the pickup artists to explain female behavior to me. I’d been lied to so successfully over my entire lifetime that I never would have made the connections on my own.
Thus, I will always be thankful to the Rollos of the world, even as I take a divergent and higher road.
The problem is, guys who fuck are usually too preoccupied with the logistics of fucking to be bothered by the self-loathing moralism of guys who don’t fuck. At least, that’s how it’s been in a post-Sexual Revolution sexual economy. If it ain’t broke, fixing it isn’t even an afterthought.
But it IS broken. Human sexuality is broken like it hasn’t been since the Fall of Rome.
Venereal diseases everywhere. Sodomy everywhere. Fatherhood gone. Bastardy normalized. Oaths broken without regret, let alone remorse. “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me go off my psych meds!” This modern, GAE world is not worth living in. How does Rollo not know this? One supposes that he’s getting enough of what he wants.
This is why body count only matters to guys who don’t fuck. Their moral crisis isn’t about their inability to find a virgin bride. Guys who don’t fuck couldn’t give two shits about whether a woman’s ability to pair bond with him is impaired by her body count. All they really want is the kind of sex women give to guys who do fuck but never need the ‘value added’ benefits he had to qualify for to get her to fuck him. You see, the gaslighting goes both ways – outwardly towards a sexual rival and inwardly to convince himself that his purpose is righteous. Moralizing over body count is as much about the guy wagging his finger at women as it is about their indiscriminate fucking. There’s actually nothing indiscriminate about it, but sour grapes and making your necessity a virtue are necessary to make Strategic Pluralism an unfalsifiable sexual strategy.
If Rollo seems hostile at notions of Christian morality, he came by it honestly. The Church has preached so many lies about basic human behavior in recent decades, in support of Eve’s Curse, that I a devout Christian, am happy to watch the Church wither & burn. It has blackened God’s Name by association, so much so that three entire generations of men have grown up thinking that only losers worship Christ… AND JUSTIFIABLY SO! I would not recognize myself from twenty years ago, and I wasn’t even in deep.
And because these guys reasonably think Christ is like the people who claim to follow Him, they’re unreachable by the Gospel.
From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits (true hypergamy). Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues (guys who fuck). Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000).
Evopsych says that women (when freed from the artificial constraints of matrimony) only mate with the genetic best of humanity. One notices, however, that humanity’s genetic best are overwhelmingly bartenders and inmates. Not rocket scientists or… Ben Shapiro…
Guys who don’t fuck, like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson, are actually the ones who need validation.
Those are not useful examples of sexless freakjobs. That is, yes, they really are sexless freakjobs, but in those two specific cases, N=0 is not the reason why.
Hypergamy doesn’t care about the moral crises and ethical concerns of guys who don’t fuck. Validation and body count are just two heads of a conjoined twin. They haven’t gotten the memo that their 20th-century moralism-as-strategy is meaningless in a 21st-century sexual marketplace.
For all his clear observations, Rollo’s spiritual awareness is limited to “that was then, this is now” thinking. Anybody who pushes past “that was then, this is now” to the questions “what changed and why?” quickly goes down the same rabbit hole of Original Sin that I did.
The way we SHOULD behave, is not the way we WANT TO behave.
That is world-changing.
That means we’re a deeply flawed species. Which in turn, right there, disproves human evolution by natural selection. Birds don’t struggle to act like birds. Lizards don’t have to remind each other to bask in the sun. But humans? “Dicks are for chicks” is now a profound theological statement with severe political implications.
In turn, that means we’re a created species for which something went very wrong.
Christianity is the only religion that agrees we’re flawed, explains how it happened and offers us the opportunity to overcome that hideous flaw.
If we want to.
Body count only matters to nameless husbands who don’t fuck. It doesn’t matter to any woman because they would rather fuck a lot of Jacks on a sinking ship than be bothered by the purity (paternity) concerns of guys who don’t fuck. Guys who fuck don’t care about body count because they know women hate guys who don’t fuck, and those guys care about body count.
Rollo has chosen the easy path of getting what he wants. We dissident Christians have chosen the harder path of insisting on the SHOULD at the loss of what we WANT. Yesterday, it was called self-discipline. Now, it’s called self-hatred.
Well, yeah. Maybe I do hate myself for stubbornly wanting that which will ultimately harm me. Maybe I hate my flaws enough to oppose them and imagine a better future than indulgence. Maybe I howl at the moon in frustration, sexual or otherwise, that I lack the strength to act upon my own principles, while the lads in the pub feel relieved to not share my internal hang-ups.
Maybe, while Rollo and I can both clearly see how our world has been “liberated”, only one of us wants to belong to that world which ought to be.
GUNNER This is a GREAT trip down memory lane!
i also don't have to tell you that GBFM & Rollo have had a storied history?
After wp banned the first GBFM blog(as there has been four up to this point in HIStory-the fifth could be at any time too , in case you didn't know the last one being in Aug '17-for just one post like the third one before it from the same year) in November '14, Rollo tweeted ''not a fan, but this is scary what word press has done in banning him'' with a link the then deleted blog.
i didn't need the PUAS telling me anything about women since i was a small boy i knew that women were as much of a sinner as any MAN.
My extended family's female relatives easily proved that to i many times over the ensuing decades.
Also,
''Maybe I howl at the moon in frustration, sexual or otherwise, that I lack the strength to act upon my own principles, while the lads in the pub feel relieved to not share my internal hang-ups.''
Are you going to do a post on the Earth's moon is shrinking?
i forgot to ask that in my previous comment bro.